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@Betty @thalassa @Forestofglory
Fuck, really?

I watched everything Joss Whedon made for about a decade, and didn't notice the shovel talks.

But at that time I tended to ignore or not notice "problematic" stuff in media, and just focused on what I liked about it.

So it took me a long time to realise that Joss Whedon seemed to have some shitty beliefs & behaviours that bled through into his work & made me stop stanning