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@radiojammor

> Rubbish. This is nanny-state stuff.

Giving people help is "nany state stuff" regardless. I'd rather an effective nanny than an ineffective one.

> Your claims might apply *only* to the few with mental health/incapacity issues. Not people in general.

No, poor people generally have poor skills that contribute strongly to their situation, some combination of lacking marketable skills or having poor financial hygene (which is also a skill).

> And job training for what? Whatever you say?

Training for high paid work, in that i include high education, trade schools, and even training in the arts

> People should have the choice to engage in that or not. Some people might actually need time away to recharge or address their own wellbeing.

If thats what you need then thats why I include psychiatry int he list of things that one may need to do instead of job training. if a licensed therapist says you need it I dont mind that help being provided, but its too easilya bused otherwise.

@scottsantens