@lebronjames75 @augustus @lain But our response to the conflict in Ukraine has set relations back. If what I've been told in this thread is right, then it seems like people like Nuland have supported setting those relations back with their policies. To me, the situation in Ukraine has always seemed like a losing situation to get involved in and I don't know how it could be resolved given geopolitics of the area. So often we end up making things worse.