@SaltWraith @Ripsnort @graf @alex i'm gonna be honest, my mom has a grape vine, on a bit thing in her yard, and she don't do shit with it, and gets tons of grapes every year, she gave 'em all away to the first one of her friends who'd come pick them last year, SO i spose if i get what she's got, my not knowing anything abotu grape raising ass will do fine.