@threat @Griffith @narada @tyler @Hoss @thegreatape In a way, yes. Stocks only have value when there's a buyer. But the world is financialized to heck and back so it's like you're in it even if you don't want to be. Case in point, if you have a pension or annuity through work, they're investing for you. Same for a 401k. It's a bit pyramid schemey and does make one think about the whole rush to get more bodies into the "American" system as boomers age out and have to start spending their wealth. people with 401ks buying a bit of stock every two weeks from paychecks funding retirement accounts add a LOT of demand and liquidity to the market.