@meso @icedquinn @jeffcliff telos does not matter, the public health thing is a reframing to try to make problems objective, not moral. the public health objection to guns is "guns by existing increase violence".

if you want to go the telos route, shooting is a means to an end. it is hard to measure the value of guns because you can't objectively record every attack/theft that did not happen because the existence of a gun deterred that crime.