@amerika @Ninji @kaia @thatguyoverthere

> Natural rights > human/civil rights.

I'm not aware of a difference between natural rights and human rights; I believe those are shorthands for the same concept, the "Natural Rights of Man". Civil rights are necessarily a step removed, since they relate to rights of the citizens with respect to their government.

(The UN is free to declare whatever they want about those things, and I think we should treat it with exactly as much weight as we treat any of their declarations: zero credibility from a philosophical standpoint, as with any attempt by a committee to decide rights. From a purely practical standpoint, nothing they declare matters unless the US declares an intention to enforce it.)