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My point was beyond that and the argumentation smacked of sophistry imo.

maybe, as far as the comic itself goes its hard to say, I would need to talk to the author to get a better sense of what sort of examples they really meant. I certainly deal with this constantly when discussing guns, that people use “special” logic to reason why guns are bad, and then when you apply that same logic to other things with the same properties the logic obviously fails and needs changing to work.

Now you pointed out absurd examples which are not valid examples of what I just said. The existance of invalid examples is not a way to even imply that there is a lack of valid examples. So whether your right or wrong your approach to arguing your point did a very poor job at doing it.

That said I suspect a better more effective tactic for you to disagree is first ask questions about what was meant, even ask for valid real world examples. After which argue agains tthose non-absurd (though perhaps wrong) examples.

So, you believe that the civilian and recreational use of guns outweighs military and paramilitary training.

Thats an odd question. What did I say that suggested this is what I think? No I dont think that, nor did I say it.

I was quite explicit in my words. Shooting a piece of paper is a non-violent act. As I said the overwhelming use of weapons when shot has no intention of harming or threatening anyone. The times in which a weapon is used as a weapon to actually cause harm or the threat of harm is likely <1% if I had to guess of all discharges of weapons.

For those “recreational” uses anyway attack rifles and many automatic weapons would likely not make sense.

“attack rifles”… that sounds like a really weird made up word with no real usefulness, similar to the other misused and imaginary term “assault weapon”… Also automatic weapons have been effectively illegal (extremely regulated and only with a lot of money and licensing can you buy an antique). In fact automatic weapons in civilian hands has been effectively illegal for like 60 years.

But then, noboby needs to carry guns in public and guns could be kept locked away at sports clubs for pure and maximized recreational utility?

I can think of plenty of people who need or needed to carry a gun in public. I know people who are dead because they didnt. My argument is not that guns should never be used to kill or threaten to kill, it absolutely should and is the responsible thing to do to own a gun for that purpose. I am only pointing out that that is not exclusively their purpose and framing it as such is a bad faith argument.

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