@Turkleton @givenup @Shlomo Listen I'm not trying to say they're LE BAD GUYS and Russia heckin' basedarino or something. They got hit with a damn gladio coup revolution and then turned things over to a puppet president. America is the big corrupt gay elephant in the room that we all know is big and gay and corrupt. All I'm saying is it sucks that that happened to them; I support self governance for all peoples. Ukraine has long been a borderlands nation, hence the name, and they've been what they are mong enough to deserve their own self governance and to not be a Western or Russian vassal if they desire true neutrality.