@pernia @meeper I'm pretty much in the "you really *really* want a structure editor for lisp specifically" camp, so emacs feels like a half measure to me. And yeah, non block languages are wild. There's actually this gentleman in Iran who wrote pretty much his entire computing environment to run on top of the Linux framebuffer, and all his tools have full support for them which is just wild. https://litcave.rudi.ir/