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@kilroy_was_here Ahh ok.

Yea I disagree because in my years of helping people I have found that people who need the most help are hurt rather than helped by unconditional money. It is only when the money carries with it the restriction of the person actively gathering skills to get out of poverty it will harm people more than help.

Since the goal should be to help society and not cause harm, and not simply to be cheap and give away free stuff, I strongly oppose UBI. The extra costs of welfare is worth the reward of doing actual good.

That said welfare programs need to be significantly redesigned to live up to that ideal, they dont currently.