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The problem with collectivism is that it is just one form of the universalist society.

The other struggle is to have something positive that the society stands for.

Too much anarchy and you get no unity and therefore, no function. That is the third world.

The ocean I would say is far from egalitarian. It is capricious in its own way.

"Collectivism" in the sense of wealth transfer, I agree, is always bad. It depletes the good to fund the apathetic.