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> egalitarian, not collectivist,

The ocean is egalitarian but not collectivist, and it will outlast any society we have: if you can eat that other fish, go eat it. Collectivism relies on individual components behaving in a certain way.

I don't really care to attempt to create the perfect society or even a good one (I have some ideas, but I am not in charge of society and no one that is cares to listen to me), but I do know that collectivism asks much of the collective and, historically, you don't get to pick whether you are in the collective or outside it. Nearly everything that bothers you about any society is inert if you strip off the collectivism.