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@yukiame @Humpleupagus you aren't far off describing what they say. But the men in question have all been fiercely loyal and worked their asses off. I've been blunt with these women and get the same responses from them akin to "I'm a catch, I'll find someone who treats me right and can raise my kids"...

I'm married too, but ready to bury bodies for each other here I don't get it