@evan I have been listening to Ezra lately, cause I respect him as a journalist and so far it has been the location in the NYtimes where there is more nuanced discussion, even though leaning he leans more as a soft-zionist, but being open about that. The interview I actually liked was the one the week before specifically towards the end when Ezra asks basically what can be done and Amjad Iraqi gives a very compelling answer and analysis https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-amjad-iraqi.html?