@xianc78 @Zennblack @amerika
I mean many of these people are incurably fucked up from the beginning, but there's also dumb kids who get sucked into this shit but would otherwise get along reasonably well with appropriate societal safeguards. Social contagions and societal health exist, and I don't think it's right to devolve into total social darwinism as a rationalization for not opposing wicked and antisocial behaviors.