@moomin @GabeLakmann @Rasterman @bronze @Groomschild Crappy base Honda's and Toyotas had really good engines and were cheap. They were easy to work on and it was a good product. It's not that American cars were bad, but they didn't produce stuff people wanted as gas became more expensive and a lot of their business was from coasting on boomer nostalgia. My father loved his old Dodge muscle car, but he wouldn't have bought a modern dodge because they always had reliability issues. Japanese cars aren't perfect, but they got some things right decades before American manufacturers.