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@goatsarah They've clearly not been victims themselves. I was, at the beginning of the year - by a covert N. They're insidious as it takes some time to realise what they are. I served as a voluntary therapist to a covert N and she thanked me with endless criticism. As soon as I told her anything about my life, she'd use "her depression" as an excuse not to listen. When I plucked up the courage politely call her out, she went around falsely accusing me of harassment