@charlie_root @pyrate Yeah I think woggy or somebody linked an article from an expat talking about how brutal it was. The women are domineering (and not in any type of "fun" way), and it sounds like a lot of the business culture is basically a reaction to that so the dudes can be away from that. It makes the vegetable man syndrome of the Japanese man sound like it's their version of MGTOW, although slightly more understandable if their women are really that atrocious.