@scetron @evan @ironchamber @u24 Evan I think the difference in our thinking is that you're thinking about the specific people who might exist and their needs, whereas we're thinking about the *conditions* of their existence. I'm thinking mainly about the state of the natural environment. If we think about rewilding a degraded mining site, the resulting forest is only just coming into proper maturity in 200 years. That time scale isn't hubris, it's just the timescale of natural systems.