it's really about my perception of hateful and dehumanizing behaviors. when I see two opposing parties engaging in that, my approach is not to pick one side and join in, but to criticize both. your quotes attributed to roy, though not relevant for this conversation, are not cool either, and I hope he too will strive to do better, despite all the bad blood I perceive between the two of you.
likewise, though I and Kuhn haven't seen eye to eye for years, I can feel a lot of sympathy for the misery he claims to have been subjected to, and disapproval for the alleged behaviors attributed to Moglen, even while holding my judgment until I find out more, and at the same time worrying that the whole thing might be another instance of crying wolf for ulterior motives, a movie I saw before and didn't like at all