@jrm4 @obsolescentsapien @drazraeltod @pluralistic I mean I'm not sure it would be really particularly relevant or helpful to answer this question because you could just dismiss any example I give you as them not making a good enough web app or it being the exception or something which is why I'm talking about basic technical and systemic reasons instead of specific examples. Otherwise it would be like talking to a Marxist leninist about state communist countries lol