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@CosmicTrigger @MnemosyneSinger IMO it's because punk us an extremely broad and vague movement, only really unified by rebelliousness and rage against *some* perceived authority. I think there is a core of real anti-authority, anti-tradition, direct action, and radical self expression to the best and truest punk stuff (that's why identify as one and like punk music), but the broadness means that anyone can be attracted to it, even for extremely unexamined, misdirected reasons, and it's very easy to misunderstand an anti authority message in populist or right-libertarian directions. I don't know enough about goth to explain why it doesn't fall into this though.