@Jello @mrnpc @qwerty @Jim i don't believe it's cruel to farm animals, especially on a small individual scale, most small scale farmers can give the animal a nice life, then when it dies it's quick and painless and it's butchered for meat, most livestock have been selectively bred for generations to be helpless food animals that wouldn't survive without humans taking care of htem at all, so vegans have the choice of humanity bearing the burden of taking car eof these animals for nothing but some decent fertilizer for the rest of time, them mass dying off, or just letting people eat what they want and stop trying to moralize diets.