@scorpiontongue 100% agreed, and this is something that I've said multiple times every time this subject comes up! I actually recently had a fairly long post that was about how transformative justice (or whatever you want to call it) literally makes no sense and just doesn't work — even in theory — unless you start *first* with the willingness to do anything and everything necessary to defend people from harm and help the victims of harm operating as the foundational thing. With that foundational principle in mind abusers suddenly have a very scary incentive to change or leave whereas without it such softer attempts at Justice end up taking the form of laying down for the abuser to steamroll you while very nicely asking them not to.