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@CosmicTrigger agreed. It's the problem that I elucidated a while ago and ironically had a bunch of vegans boost: people who are vegans on the basis of a moral belief that animals are moral subjects and that eating them is murder cannot whatsoever coexist with everyone else, because they must inherently see us as evil murders, and so from their point of view direct action against us is fully justified — and I would never ask or expect anyone to compromise their morality by not acting against those they believe are murderers! Indeed, it would be a terrible double standard of me to expect these moralist vegans to not try to stop what they perceive as murder when I definitely try to stop anything I perceive as murder. Meanwhile, the rest of us ofc do not perceive our eating of meat as murder at all, and so we must necessarily perceive their direct action against us as an invasion and aggression against us, and thus must respond in self-defense! Therefore, these moralist vegans will forever be at war with everyone else. Even more so because their position relies on a **moral belief** that is not innate or natural or intuitive to many people, so the conflict is irreconcilable, because the difference between the two sides is made by whether you do or do not have a certain non-obvious moral belief or intuition, and the truth about moral beliefs is that at base they are not justified by reason at all, but are simply brute facts about what we do or do not care about or value that well up naturally from our personalities and life experiences. You cannot convince someone to switch out the very foundations of their moral system.