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@FinalOverdrive yeah, the people that want single payer are only listening to people who A) are privileged in the societies that have it or B) people's experiences (or their own) just briefly visiting places that have it. And they always assume that single payer will be implemented perfectly and correctly, and somehow protected from capture by evil or politically motivated people or callus eugenicists. It's the classic goverbmentalist fallacy — assuming that any system you put up will work precisely as intended, as you want it to, and that only good people will end up in charge of the power you're giving away.