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   novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 20:40:16 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

   Someone boosted a whole thread of pro-Russia "anti-US imperialism" anarchists promoting a tankie's writing and lamenting getting blowback on kolektiva for being pro-russia and promoting tankie writings. One of them was even talking about how actually nationalizing things is a GOOD thing "while we wait patiently for anarchism to happen." Seriously? Fuck off.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 21:36:15 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     "Let's have a little authoritarianism and massively increase the power of the state and the centralization and monopoly of everything in our society while we patiently and slowly work toward anarchism in a manner that'd make MLK-quoting liberals happy. What could go wrong?" (Everything)

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 21:38:36 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     Government is very rarely actually the solution to at least my issues with capitalism, because fundamentally they both operate by the same principles of centralization of control, monopoly, authority, hierarchy, bureaucracy. There's little difference. And no, the Scandinavian model is not a fucking utopia. Centralizing the provision of medical care, for instance, just means it is far easier to capture and control and lever against social "undesirables" — like what the UK does via NHS to trans people

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     FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 21:40:23 JST FinalOverdrive

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     @anarchopunk_girl Indeed, at least in the US however expensive places that discriminate against trans people have to compete against those who don't. However restricted and oligarchical that competition is. Plus there is also the grey/black market.

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     novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️ (anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 21:43:28 JST novatorine 🏴🏳️‍⚧️

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     • FinalOverdrive

     @FinalOverdrive yeah, the people that want single payer are only listening to people who A) are privileged in the societies that have it or B) people's experiences (or their own) just briefly visiting places that have it. And they always assume that single payer will be implemented perfectly and correctly, and somehow protected from capture by evil or politically motivated people or callus eugenicists. It's the classic goverbmentalist fallacy — assuming that any system you put up will work precisely as intended, as you want it to, and that only good people will end up in charge of the power you're giving away.

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     FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 21:45:20 JST FinalOverdrive

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     @anarchopunk_girl As for the control lever over "undesirables"...well there is a dark history of public healthcare systems doing just that in the name of public health.

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     FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 21:46:15 JST FinalOverdrive

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     @anarchopunk_girl The fact is these systems are often restricted to citizens only as well. Not in every country, but in a disturbing number of them. And even when they aren't, they are often hostile anyway for linguistic reasons.

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     NeonSnake (neonsnake@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:25:46 JST NeonSnake

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     @anarchopunk_girl Meh.

     Nationalising industries gets a cautious "one cheer" from me. It's clearly better than privatisation, but goes nowhere near enough.

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     support ur local fucc dealer 🍉 (bluejorts@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:44:40 JST support ur local fucc dealer 🍉

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     @anarchopunk_girl

     👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽

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     FinalOverdrive (finaloverdrive@kolektiva.social)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Aug-2023 22:53:04 JST FinalOverdrive

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     • NeonSnake

     @neonsnake @anarchopunk_girl Esp. given who gets the privatized industry. It sure as hell isn't the people who work there. It sure as hell isn't "mines to the miners".