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and then when you have to take pull requests from them and they tell you to do something in a completely fucked up way, and not only does your manager not care but holds them with high esteem. So you lose points with your manager and the rest of the staff by going "eh? thats fucked up", everyone acts like you're weird for giving a shit about it, and when you ask a forum of your peers who are in more senior positions, they all agree that the suggested alterations are fucked up and wrong