@BigDuck @RogerFalcon @Owl @Xenophon But these people arent making these decisions and thats my point no one knows where ukraine is outside the DC beltway and theyre expressing their politics by not working or not joining the military because as everyone has already agreed voting is pointless and has no effect. Congress is jackshit without all the labor going on right now and when people check out you get what were seeing now. We arent special at all and pretending were better than everyone because weve read more books is just silly.