@HellOnEarth @ImperialAgent @Shadowman311 Maybe so. I'm talking about what I believe will work for me, and others like me. We have a strong religious belief and we're White and want to keep our traditions. It's incredibly important to me that my children marry within the faith, because of the value systems implicitly and explicitly codified in it. Pls no religious hellthread from this, but I'm telling you this is where I've been having this discussion in real life, face to face, with 80+ other adults with kids who feel the same way.