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@Denton @jk I just don't understand how Python management is so much more difficult than Perl considering the age of both.

I use the heck out of cpanspec and just plain rpmbuild to make well-formed RPM packages with all the dependencies tracked that we can manage in-house with yum/dnf, but setuptools doesn't do any auto-dep tracking, leading to venv and Java-style bundles or a lot of manual work making custom bdist_rpm command lines.

I don't know why the common case is so difficult