@JubtheNub Always wanted to get into 4x grand strategy shit but it makes me feel like a braindead retard baby by about 30 minutes in. I'll see one, think "Oh yeah, I can do this", and then about an hour in realize I've made a critical mistake lol. This is even stranger when you consider I don't mind tabletop games that delve into this territory somewhat like Twilight Imperium. Maybe it's the interface or just having other people around who are as shit as I am. IDK.