@grips @diceynes @bot @dookie @sun_eater @winter My experience with Muslim friends is that their culture seems arbitrary to them. The stricter demands a culture places on a people the more those demands must appear to have wisdom behind them. When you grow up in the west and your culture is a single seemingly arbitrary bastion, at stark contrast with the world everyone you speak to on a daily basis lives in, you can usually no longer sustain belief.