@gat @GLObalMARinePR @KarlDahl @Ottovonshitpost @admin I'd even add, like H&K being top shelf in that "reliability brand" and Ruger being the "This is designed to work, it's a tool, like your hammer, We're an American company, stand behind our work, and know you are trusting your LIFE with us" brand, it's hard to consider it a "cheap" gun, regardless of the fact they are affordable, they are just made to function, not be pretty..." If it came to, do I 100% trust it as a carry gun? Ruger v. S&W revolver? Ruger every time if I'm carrying it because I might need it, but S&W every time if it's competition or range gun, always kinda felt that way. You can even sorta see that pattern going back to the very first 9mm semiauto's they released, the 39/59 and that god awful slab of stanless steel Ruger made, I can't remember the name, I wanna say 89? Dunno.