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@rasmusfleischer I agree it's up to us - or rather I agree that this is the only meaningful political stance.

However I just want to avoid the idea that there is a definite bourgeoise which produces a defined capitalism and fall into the trap that a similarly defined proletariat would produce a defined socialism.

Because often what happens is a state of affairs made up of a mess of unintended outcomes. Which is why I'm sceptical of the idea you can organise freedom (TM Björk)