@evan @feoh I also listened to the podcast, and loved it, but it was that exact part of the discussion that kind of hit me the wrong way. It implied that people who work on open source don't care about UI or the user experience, when in reality so many open source projects are small, with maybe only one person working on it, and we really, really, really try hard to do our best. We don't have a budget to hire a design team. There's no UX researcher. We're doing our best out here. And sure, maybe you were just talking about "corporate open source" that do have a budget to hire designers, but if that's the case then it's leaving so much of us out of the discussion.