@hazlin @deprecated_ii The response is that his argument is still just vague handwaving post hoc explanations. Ask for concrete numbers, exactly how many mutations does it take for a spider to spin web, whats the probability for each mutation, how many occur each generation and how long until it predominates? The devil is in the details and quantitative analysis.

In the other thread someone said that rolling a trillion sided dice a trillion times for a trillion years would be enough, and i said he was off by a factor of 10^15000

And computer algorithms still rely on a programmer to tune enough parameters to make it run. An intelligent designer who picks the right numbers is an argument for God not against him.

>His response was to insist that, these models (I assume he meant algorithms) as they grow become more resistant to these issues.
Ask for proof of this with an example

>And, that natures model is much larger than the computer models, so of course it will be able to avoid these issues and arrive at life, from atoms and natural forces.

This is just begging the question