@udon @charliebrownau @coin @furgar @ryo That reminds me that in Devuan, you have (by default) to run reboot and poweroff with their full paths. That's retarded too. In Debian, on the other hand, it has to be done with systemctl, just to rub systemd in your face a little more, I guess. May seem like a minor issue, but it's very annoying when you don't know and expect them to work like every other distribution, as they should.

Anyway, if I make a tutorial (very likely, so I can use it as an answer to questions like "what distribution should I use?" or "how do I learn Linux?"), it will probably use Devuan, and I'll have to mention that. Hell, I'll have to mention that even more so to intermediary users if I recommend it to them, they are the ones that possibly won't even have a menu with a poweroff button.

May seem weird to use Devuan for that, but for real, I couldn't find a "beginner" distribution (with a desktop environment and a software center) that didn't look like a train wreck. So it will just be Devuan and I guess Synaptic does the job of a graphical installer, so it's fine, and I don't even have to make a GUI version of my package management script.

It helps that I have used Devuan a lot in the past. I think when I first used it, it was still in 1.0? Very reliable, which is what I wanted for this, primarily, along with not requiring a lot of knowledge to start using. Back in the day, maybe Mint would have worked, but apparently it does spontaneously implode for some people sometimes, and it's also full of ridiculously slow flatpak software. It will just give people a bad impression if I recommend it at this point, and demotivate them. And it would have to be specifically not the Cinnamon version because Cinnamon sucks ass compared to pretty much anything that isn't GNOME or KDE (KDE specifically because it seems to be unstable, and I heard it has telemetry too, which I don't trust). Devuan has plenty of options all in one ISO, though, so it's great.