@BowsacNoodle @John_Darksoul @SK1ZM @Griffith I mean you can force such people to be at least a little civil when you have power so I do think its possible for them to achieve heaven. The Bible does talk of all of us as sheep that need guidance and believe you me sheep are really dumb. So I hope that puts it a little into perspective that we can all make it there, but some of us need more help than others