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   lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 11:37:09 JST lainy
   Thanks ameribros
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 14:31:51 JST lainy

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     @mk who could have foreseen that?
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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jan-2023 14:31:52 JST mk

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     germany socialized

     - energy sector
     - healthcare
     - real estate
     - agriculture

     and all of these sytems are failing right now.

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     نبي الحيوان (mono@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 01:08:57 JST نبي الحيوان

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     end germany
     
     finish the fight
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:10:45 JST lainy

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     @mk @konni not to forget that the government decides what kind of power plants are even allowed to be built or run.
     
     Although I understand konni's point that many people wouldn't call even heavy state involvement 'socialist', but that seems more like an issue of using the same definitions.
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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:10:46 JST mk

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     @konni

     ---energy---
     - example: "übergewinnsteuer" (excess profits tax)
     government determines how much a biogas energy providers can earn.
     every € that you earn above 0.23eur/kwh is beeing taxed with a 90% taxrate.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvGU9E36nc

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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:10:48 JST konni

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     @lain
     
     how is the energy sector and real estate socialized tho

     last time i checked Energy was being traded at the exchange, and real estate was used to trade and as non-depreciating assets

     sure both are tied up in a lot of beurocracy
     but they're not "socialized"

     where tf is my gouvernment funded energy/plot of land then

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:10:48 JST mk

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     @konni

     "how is the energy sector and real estate socialized tho"

     by removing free market capitalism and micromanaging (central planning) them..

     @lain

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:16:29 JST lainy

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     • mk
     @s8n @mk @konni in the end I don't think it matters much if your property isn't yours de jure or de facto.
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     THOT POLICE (s8n@posting.lolicon.rocks)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:16:30 JST THOT POLICE

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     @lain @mk @konni government control of private industry is more fascist than socialist. But most people agree utilities need to be regulated
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:27:04 JST lainy

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     • mk
     @konni @mk that's still semantics, i think. MK's point was that the most state-controlled parts of germany's economy are the ones that are failing the hardest, and I would agree.
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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 06:27:05 JST konni

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     @lain @mk
     it's true that germany is a nation that doesn't really use a free market

     instead it's more of a "monster in chains" approach to the market, where the default assumption is that the free market is an opportunistic and sometimes destructive force that can only consistently do good if restrained by a gijillon laws and bounds

     but "socialism", "socialist" etc are models of distribution or collecitve funding
     and they are not used in housing or energy, which are still private

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 08:28:27 JST lainy

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     • mk
     @konni @mk the whole premise of regulation is that 'they know', though
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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 08:28:28 JST konni

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     @mk @lain
     honestly
     might be right that the excess of regulation has and continues to hold back innovation/growth in terms of renewables
     especially bavaria lmao i don't see energy companies caring about their tourism too much if the authorities werent there

     but you never know

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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 08:28:29 JST konni

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     @mk @lain
     hm
     ... i mean yes this is a social-market thing they're doing, and in this instance tbh i think it sounds reasonable

     idk socialism just sounds to me like taxpayers paying for people in need directly
     it also sounds more like full gouvernment control, no involvment of profit-drive whatsoever

     you know? there is still a market in there somewhere, it's just that the gouvernment is a big party in the market as well as the authority that determines the rules of the market

     socialized for me is the opposite of privatized, and if energy was socialized, there would be absolutely no profit made from energy in this nation

     but thats definitions
     yes they are capping the profits and funding renewables

     to my understanding you are saying that if the govmt hadn't intervened we would have less of a dependency on energy imports?
     (the only major "failing" i see rn, apart from the slow progress to expand the grid and set up rneweables)
     though tbh, it's worth keeping in mind that coal is unprofitable without govmnt support (i think)

     you are kinda right that the german gouvmt kinda griefed our worldwide-lead in the wind turbine market, cus CDU-FDP decided Wind was to unregulated

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 08:28:30 JST mk

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     @konni

     "The Commission has adopted[..]Horizon Europe work programme 2023-24, with around €13.5 billion to support[..]solutions for environmental, energy, digital and geopolitical challenges[..]funding will contribute to the EU reaching its climate goals, increasing energy resilience, and developing core digital technologies."

     https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_7404

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 08:28:31 JST mk

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     @konni

     so if the government taxes you at a 90% rate and redistributes this money to subsidize other renewable energy sources isn't "distribution or collecitve funding"?

     @lain

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:27 JST mk

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     @konni

     "Terrorism"

     the #nordstream 1 and 2 blast was the largest terrorist #attack in the world in terms of the financial damage that has been caused and continues to accumulate in the future.

     the german government stopped investigations into it and helps the perpetrators to get away with it.

     "Geheimnispolitik: Bundesregierung verwehrt Abgeordneten Auskünfte über Anschläge auf die Pipelines."

     https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Nord-Stream-2-Ermittlungen-Staatswohl-hat-Prioritaet-7310830.html?seite=all

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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:28 JST konni

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     @mk @lain
     Treason. Terrorism. Passing an enabling act. Arresting opposing politicians.

     I don't even consider the most egregious corruption to be breaking the oath, if it just changes the system in legal ways, according to Base law.
     It needs to be an actual attack, an attempt to subvert the fundamental order of the system, to really apply.
     Or a foreign policy treason thing

     Just steering german policy in a wrong direction by mistake/malice can't be against the oath, otherwise politicians wouldn't be able to make decisions in uncertain conditions, or at all.

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:33 JST mk

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     @konni

     "not nearly enough to constitute breaking their oath"

     what would be enough? please tell me your threshold.

     @lain

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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:34 JST konni

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     @mk @lain
     i agree that's stupid
     populist in my opinion
     nuclear power is definetely less dangerous then climate change, and though they should eventually be phased out, i think that the dirtier coal plants should go first

     so a misstep for sure.

     but not nearly enough to constitute breaking their oath, especially since the greens are kinda obligated to listen to the base of members they represent

     the democratic process doesn't always have the outcome you personally think is optimal

     and at this point Habeck has already gone back and started debating extending Emsland again
     but- RWE actually kinda refuses at this point, they dont wanna

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:38 JST mk

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     @konni

     3/3
     so basically there is a high risk of blackouts in germany, because of electricity shortage and what are the leftists in the german federal government deciding?

     translated
     "The third remaining Emsland nuclear power plant, on the other hand, is to be finally shut down on January 1, 2023."

     https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/gruene-395.html

     @lain

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:44 JST mk

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     @konni

     2/3
     Special analysis of the power grid

     translated
     17:15 "there must be[..]power cuts[]in all three scenarios"

     20:29 "if we let the nuclear power plants run, load undersupply will be avoided in most cases."

     https://odysee.com/@TeleSantana:1/Sonderanalyse-Stromnetz:6

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:51 JST mk

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     @konni

     proof of government acting irrational and against german interest in three steps.

     1/3
     we do have a electricity shortage in germany right now.

     11690 redispatches in deutschland this year alone, because of fluctuating wind/sun power and caused by leftists shutting down more and more non-renewable power plants.
     https://youtu.be/jlO7RCYIJJ0?t=229

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:56 JST mk

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     @konni

     come on now what?

     my position:
     the leftist in the german federal government don't care about what is best for the german people.

     what do you need from me to proof this for you?

     @lain

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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:26:57 JST konni

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     @mk @lain
     oh come on now

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:27:02 JST mk

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     @konni

     "politicians we respectively disagree with think they have the nations best interest in mind..."

     01:50 Annalena Baerbock (Germany's minister for foreign affairs): "but if i give the promise to people in ukraine we stand with you as long as you need us then i want to deliver -no matter what my german voters think- but i want to deliver to the people of ukraine"
     https://youtu.be/MbCho00uj1c?t=110

     Mrs. baerbock doesn't care what her german voters think.

     @lain

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     konni@toot.kartonrad.de's status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:27:03 JST konni

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     @mk @lain
     ok yeah bla bla

     you know as well as i do, that politicians we respectively disagree with think they have the nations best interest in mind...

     also:
     what you describe is probably one of the most abstract most long-term threaths imaginable fucking "gradual deindustralisation" on a 20 year timeline

     you act like slowly worsening a nations economy in the long term is the same as firing a missile at an orphanage
     the former is something abstract that easily happens due to lack of skill or even global pressure outside of your control.
     the latter is harm that can actually be attributed to a single person or movement

     That's like quoting "Widerstandsrecht" as soon as someone passes a law
     that's not how it works bozo

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:27:09 JST mk

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     @konni

     what they have sworn (translated):
     "I swear that I will devote my energies to the well-being of the German people, increase their benefit, protect them from harm, uphold and defend the Basic Law and the laws of the Federation, perform my duties conscientiously and do justice to everyone. So help me God.”

     https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artikel_56_des_Grundgesetzes_f%C3%BCr_die_Bundesrepublik_Deutschland

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     mk (mk@mastodon.satoshishop.de)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 12:27:15 JST mk

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     @konni

     i see massive #german #deindustrialization followed by lot of #poverty caused by #leftist #governments #socialism programs.

     this will lead to massive unrest in the population and might even end the democrating federal government if the leftists communists keep breaking their oath to protect germany from harm.

     @lain