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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:54:34 JST Alexandre Oliva

   • CyberSpook??
   KDE depends on Qt. for a long time, Qt was nonfree software. KDE didn't cease to be free software because of that unfortunate dependence. it was free software, but it was not possible to run it in freedom, because it had to be combined with a nonfree component to run
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:54:35 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • CyberSpook??
     DRM (digial restrictions management) can be implemented in freedom-respecting software, there's no obstacle to that, but it's not effective in imposing restrictions, because, as long as the essential freedoms are respected, the undesirable feature can be ripped out. you can use freedom 1 to adapt the program so that it does what you wish, and then freedom 0 to run it for any purpose. the undesirable feature may require you to modify the program before it does what you wish and serves you, but that's ok, you aren't entitled to expect others to write or share with you software that does what you wish. if you take software from them, it may bring hostile features, but as long as it's freedom-respecting, you can study it to see what it does, get help from others to make it do what you wish, and then run it at your service. I suspect you agree with this as well, and that we've miscommunicated again :-(
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     CyberSpook?? (cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 09:54:37 JST CyberSpook??

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     The freedom to run the program as you wish means that you are not forbidden or stopped from making it run. This has nothing to do with what functionality the program has, whether it is technically capable of functioning in any given environment, or whether it is useful for any particular computing activity.

     I’m thinking about how other proprietary programs (like DRM) can effectively refuse you such a freedom. Does that mean that the libre software in question actually provides you Freedom 0? Due to its dependence on a proprietary program that denies you this freedom, it does not. That’s the reason why GPLv3 exists in the first place.

     And that’s why an open-source DRM is an absurdity. It’s a libre software that ironically makes all the other software non-libre (but the other software is probably closed-source so you can’t just “untie” it).

     翠星石 repeated this.