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   zhenech (zhenech@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:15:20 JST zhenech

   Repeat after me: JSON is not a valid choice for human-editable configuration files.

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:18:14 JST silverwizard

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     @zhenech @quincy @farseen The list syntax mandating ,s on all list items, except the last
     
     That kind of violation of postel's law makes it a giant pain for humans
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     Farseen (farseen@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:18:20 JST Farseen

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     @quincy @zhenech Yeah lack of comments is a big one. But apart from that isn't it okay?

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     Quincy (quincy@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:18:22 JST Quincy

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     @zhenech True. JSON files don't even support comments (!!)

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:21:24 JST silverwizard

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     @zhenech @quincy @farseen I am a TOML evangelist who thinks YAML is read-only, writing is beyond finicky ime
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     Farseen (farseen@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:21:25 JST Farseen

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     • Quincy

     @silverwizard @zhenech @quincy riight the trailing comma.

     What do you think of YAML btw?

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     Quincy (quincy@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:21:54 JST Quincy

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     @farseen @silverwizard @zhenech I've used it, but it's kind of hard to get the syntax right

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     Quincy (quincy@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:22:41 JST Quincy

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     @silverwizard @zhenech @farseen oh yeah, almost forgot about that

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     Quincy (quincy@chaos.social)'s status on Friday, 23-Dec-2022 23:23:04 JST Quincy

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     @farseen for me it's the main sticking point. what about you, @zhenech ?

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 04:30:23 JST silverwizard

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     • Menno Deij - van Rijswijk 🏳️‍🌈
     @zhenech @mennodeij People who like JSON are obsessed with the idea that XML is bad which is the most annoying thing
     
     1) XML is not as bad as JSON
     2) who cares about XML, it's not 2001
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     Menno Deij - van Rijswijk 🏳️‍🌈 (mennodeij@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 04:30:29 JST Menno Deij - van Rijswijk 🏳️‍🌈

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     @zhenech neither is XML, yet here we are

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 05:16:30 JST silverwizard

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     • silverwizard
     @me JSON is designed to not be readable at a glance and resist quick updates
     
     XML is criticized for being too verbose
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     me (me@social.jlamothe.net)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 05:16:31 JST me

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     @silverwizard I'm genuinely curious, in what way is XML better than JSON? The only argument I can see for XML over JSON is support for namespaces, but I don't find that a terribly compelling argument.
     
     To be clear, I don't think that either should be used for configuration files.
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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 05:22:04 JST silverwizard

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     @me Nah, when it is a {,[, or (, and how do you add a thing to a list? What if it's in the middle? What if at the end?
     
     To be clear - if you run JS a lot, JSON makes a lot more sense, but that's an unrelated crime
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     me (me@social.jlamothe.net)'s status on Saturday, 24-Dec-2022 05:22:05 JST me

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     • silverwizard
     @silverwizard I think that with proper use of whitespace, JSON can be quite readable.
     
     I will concede that machine-generated JSON is frequently a nightmare, but I find it no worse than machine-generated XML.