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   Commodore Sixty Bore (sikkdays@ourempty.pub)'s status on Saturday, 17-Dec-2022 09:25:56 JST Commodore Sixty Bore

   OLD People: Kids don't know how to do simple math.

   MODERN People: Everyone has a calculator in their pocket.

   ME: Replace math with Law. Since no one in the world will take responsibility for their actions, kids will need to be versed in law to protect themselves from politicians, governments, neighbours, and each other.

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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Saturday, 17-Dec-2022 09:25:55 JST hypolite

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     @sikkdays Law only protects as far as how it is enforced, just knowing it doesn't help you getting any protection. Knowing the law usually is the opposite, a power move you can use to intimidate other people.
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Saturday, 17-Dec-2022 10:01:14 JST hypolite

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     • KateMoss1
     @KateMoss1 I'm not sure who you are talking about, but I'll add more context to my reply. The most striking example of what protection just knowing the law doesn't afford you is this small spot of land in the Yellowstone National Park where theoretically no jury could be convened to put someone on trial, which has led the creation of a folk theory that you could get away with murder in this location.
     
     Asked about it, a local attorney general just scoffed.
     
     A slightly less striking example is the legal fiction "sovereign citizens" are living in across different countries. I'm not even sure they're wrong in their interpretation of their local constitution, but what I do know is that no judge would ever entertain their pet legal theories.
     
     Knowing the relevant law only allows you not to give in to the aforementioned intimidation. Not sure what it gets you vis-à-vis politicians, they're just performing and it doesn't matter if their bluff is called out as they got to say their piece anyway.
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     KateMoss1 (katemoss1@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 17-Dec-2022 10:01:18 JST KateMoss1

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     • hypolite
     @hypolite @sikkdays I think he's right and I think that you're wrong. Sorry.
     If it's the politicians/etc that are the threat, and not violent criminals than "knowing the law" can theoretically protect someone from their bluff
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     KateMoss1 (katemoss1@cawfee.club)'s status on Saturday, 17-Dec-2022 10:19:19 JST KateMoss1

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     • hypolite
     @hypolite @sikkdays > I'm not sure who you are talking about
     about Mr. Sikkdays, the only other guy in the conversation
     who else.
     
     after reading your second reply, I'll concede you have a point too.
     
     >Knowing the relevant law only allows you not to give in to the aforementioned intimidation.
     I mean, it's still more useful than math, isn't it? Although after your example I think that even though it's more useful, it's also almost completely useless.
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     hypolite (hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com)'s status on Saturday, 17-Dec-2022 10:19:19 JST hypolite

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     • KateMoss1
     @KateMoss1 I was wondering why you brought up math, then I reread the original post and I realized I missed the part about replacing math by law, and now it's even less convincing to me.
     
     School isn't meant to teach you how to protect yourself from anyone, I believe it's meant to both expand kids' mental horizons and introduce them to the tenets of a social environment with its own rules that weren't set by one of their relative.
     
     In this regard it's already teaching them about law and its enforcement, it just isn't explicitly included in the curriculum.