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   Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 20:41:18 JST Alexandre Oliva

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   • raboof
   it's been happening quite often, alas, and that's reason enough in my book for an effort to contain that abuse that is so harmful to the notion of federation
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     raboof (raboof@merveilles.town)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 20:41:23 JST raboof

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     • Gregory

     @gregory @ufoi "The Problem" describes "those who block an instance often demand every instance they federate block the same instances as them, and if they do not, then they get added to the suspend list as well".

     I agree such "transitive defederation" can be a problem when taken to extremes. To be honest I haven't really seen it happen "often" and without evidence, but possibly I wasn't paying attention.

     The solution would be simply to "stop doing that", though :)

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     raboof (raboof@merveilles.town)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 20:41:24 JST raboof

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     • Gregory

     @gregory @ufoi I'm not convinced. I'll admit I don't manage a fediverse instance, but from my experience in other online spaces, all this emphasis on "due process", "evidence" etc sounds good in theory, but breaks down quickly in practice as it gets abused by bad actors who have fun "technically not breaking the rules". It is also putting the burden on the wrong side imho. Requiring participants to federate with instances from certain lists seems problematic.

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     Gregory (gregory@magpie.masto.host)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 20:41:30 JST Gregory

     The #Fediverse and #Mastodon are experiencing some recent growing pains. There is a risk that developments could lead to the network fracturing into walled gardens of individual communities that are isolated from each other. There are also people who want to assert centralized control over the network. These dangers are described and a bold solution is proposed here:

     https://ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf

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     #UFoI #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonAdmin