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   Alex (hermit@hermitmountain.top)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 09:04:51 JST Alex
   I don't "support free speech" for the same reason I don't "support trans rights": both are inalienable, my "support" would be a worthless token, any attempts to control either are ultimately futile and people are going to do whatever they want anyway (And That's A Good Thing™)
   
   I don't have the "right" to take a bunch of drugs and have a schizo quest for the true God or whatever but I did it anyway, cope and seethe
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     Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 09:04:48 JST Hyolobrikator

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     @hermit My solution is, instead of being selfish about it, that everyone has the freedom to do what they want, except for the freedom to boss others about, except if they force someone not to boss others about, except if the person they are forcing not to boss others about was telling someone they can't boss others about, and so on ad infinitum.
     In mathematical terms: you have the freedom to {deny others the right to}*n do what you/they want, for all even naturals n. "You/they" refers to the last "others" if n>0, The first "you" otherwise.
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     Hyolobrikator (hyolobrika@gleasonator.com)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 09:04:49 JST Hyolobrikator

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     @hermit "Absolute freedom for absolutely everyone" is an incoherent principle. Since it means that one can take away the freedoms of another with impunity.
     By that logic, the entire world is already a libertarian paradise. You have the right to speak up against the leader of North Korea. It's just that he has the right to put you in jail for speaking against him. Just two people using their God-given liberties. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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     Alex (hermit@hermitmountain.top)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 09:04:49 JST Alex

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     @Hyolobrika I unironically agree with this. It's why I see conflicts of will as inevitable, and it's why one of my primary motivators in life is to avoid becoming subordinate to the will of another person, to the greatest degree practicable.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 09:04:53 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • Hyolobrikator
     it's an interesting formulation
     I miss something about the wanted deed's not bringing harm onto others