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   Kris Nóva (nova@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 06:45:15 JST Kris Nóva

   HTML is a programming language and you can compile JavaScript.

   There. I said it.

   We aren't fucking around with the toxic gatekeeping algorithm-bait posts here on #mastodon

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     Reinhard Lackner (macf00bar@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 06:52:16 JST Reinhard Lackner

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     @nova this says it all:
     https://briefs.video/videos/is-html-a-programming-language/

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     Matt Healey (matthealey@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 07:04:09 JST Matt Healey

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     @nova wouldn’t it then be called HTPL?

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     Mootly Obviate (mootlyobviate@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 07:14:21 JST Mootly Obviate

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     @nova
     Working as a technical writer in a programming shop for a while, I always found it interesting that the programmers who would argue that HTML wasn't a programming language would also argue that documentation should all be in markdown because HTML was too hard.

     I always just interpreted that as you must accommodate our views because it is too much trouble for us to accommodate yours.

     So glad nobody else ever thinks that way.

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     thechillenial@hachyderm.io's status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 07:23:25 JST TheChillenial

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     @nova on a related note my favorite thing about hachyderm is the complete absence of “??”

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     Chris Minnick (chrisminnick@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 07:50:34 JST Chris Minnick

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     @nova I've never thought of HTML as a programming language and I don't want it to be...there's nothing stopping it from being that, but it seems too narrow a definition and I don't think that was the intention -- it's way cooler (imho) as a markup language for any content you want to be used anywhere. But, is that like next-level programming?

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     Luke Shafer (lksh@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 09:13:17 JST Luke Shafer

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     @nova bothering to argue that it isn’t is so boring imo! Like… I’ve got more important things to do than care if HTML is a programming language or not! It’s pointless gatekeeping because people want to pretend they’re “better” than others because of the tools they use

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     John Turner (while1malloc0@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 10:10:20 JST John Turner

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     @nova I feel like we could get a lot of the gatekeepers on board if we started referring to HTML as “a declarative language for rendering content in the browser”

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     norgralin (norgralin@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 10:20:19 JST norgralin

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     @nova I’d like to think we can and should respect people and their skills without the need to declare that is HTML a programming language. Whether HTML is a programming language should be completely unrelated to respecting people.

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     dodothedev :arch_linux::emacs: (dodothedev@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 10:20:29 JST dodothedev :arch_linux::emacs:

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     @nova as an aspiring webdev, I approve and appreciate a celebrity coming out and just saying it.

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     Javier Pérez (flooper@hachyderm.io)'s status on Saturday, 10-Dec-2022 19:26:54 JST Javier Pérez

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     @nova This! Any language we can use to tell the computer to do stuff it’s a programming language. If you can write bugs, it’s a programming language.

     Claiming a computer language is not a PL is either gatekeeping or wrongly mixing the concepts of PLs and General-Purpose Languages. DSLs are PLs too! Of course you might not be able to write Conway’s life with a DSL, that’s what “specific” means. DSLs are designed to tell the computer to do specific stuff. Markup languages are DSLs and thus, PLs.

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     xyhhx (xyhhx@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 12:33:27 JST xyhhx

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     • Efexor Zolpidem :v_com:
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     @capeta @thomasfuchs @nova js too

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     Efexor Zolpidem :v_com: (capeta@ursal.zone)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 12:33:31 JST Efexor Zolpidem :v_com:

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     @thomasfuchs
     @nova

     99% of people who crap on Frontend and UX/UI devs are just afraid to admit they suck at CSS.

     Kris Nóva repeated this.
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     doomchild (doomchild@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 12:52:15 JST doomchild

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     @nova I can't count the number of times I've had people try to argue that HTML isn't a programming language. It's a massive facepalm moment every time.