Conversation

Notices

1. Embed this notice
   Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 08:16:23 JST Hélène
   why are explicitly mentioned people in cc and not in to
   • Embed this notice
     infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 09:23:53 JST infinite love ⴳ

     in reply to

     @helene to/cc doesn't matter, or at least it shouldn't. the distinction between "primary" and "secondary" addressing largely only gets used for mastodon's weird heuristics about whether a post is unlisted or public, etc.

     i guess you could say mentioning someone puts them in secondary, while primarily you are addressing the person you replied to and maybe your followers? but again, this largely does not matter

     Hélène likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 09:27:22 JST Hélène

     in reply to

     • infinite love ⴳ
     @trwnh it seems still a bit wrong to me, really, and abusing it for heuristics between scopes seems... odd, too
     i'd expect the people mentioned in the post to be the primary addressing, not secondary, no matter the case, but well...
   • Embed this notice
     Hélène (helene@p.helene.moe)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 09:40:46 JST Hélène

     in reply to

     • infinite love ⴳ
     @trwnh yeah, they are, but the way they're used on twitter-like impls is to address people and target them directly, having mentions that to not "ping" is a secondary thing, so putting people mentioned in a post as CC seems wrong (e.g. why are you in cc for this reply, and not to? :blobcatupsidedown:)
     
     soapbox (and apparently friendica?) does support pseudo-"arbitrary addressing" but soapbox still puts the mention tags anyway, not sure what friendica does because i haven't seen it in the wild
     
     i think some zap software might also be able to do that but i haven't seen that either
     
     pleroma has some C2S support, so you should be able to do that anyway but i haven't really tried
   • Embed this notice
     infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 09:40:47 JST infinite love ⴳ

     in reply to

     @helene the concept of "mentions" is an implementation detail, it is entirely valid to mention someone and not even deliver to them at all. it's just that the twitterlike impls collapse the concept of addressing entirely onto mentions currently, with no support for arbitrary addressing.

     Hélène likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     infinite love ⴳ (trwnh@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 09:44:09 JST infinite love ⴳ

     in reply to

     @helene shrug, it really doesn't matter outside of email-like use cases. you get delivered to all the same.

     Hélène likes this.
   • Embed this notice
     coyote (coyote@pl.lain.sh)'s status on Friday, 19-Aug-2022 09:50:06 JST coyote

     in reply to
     @helene I have wondered this too, it's completely backwards
     Hélène likes this.