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   Samuel Bepis (samuelbepis@jorts.horse)'s status on Friday, 09-Dec-2022 13:33:50 JST Samuel Bepis

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   • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
   • Darkayne

   @freemo @Darkayne Where? What I see on the Qoto About page is that y'all don't allow "hate speech" but also won't "censor unpopular ideas". In my experience (and the experience of a lot of marginalized people), places with policies like these tend to give a pass to people who want to "debate" things like race science as long as they don't say any slurs, while people who point out bigotry are often banned for being "uncivil".

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Friday, 09-Dec-2022 13:33:50 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     people who suffer discrimination or otherwise organize to fight it learn about patterns and dog-whistles that are useful heuristics to recognize bigotry. I respect, value, appreciate, support, and take part in the struggle for social justice.
     I understand the value of heuristics, but they're imperfect, and can lead to mistakes that end up promoting injustice. time and again, I've seen nuance such as standing for human rights of horrible human beings, and debating of scientifically relevant taboos, be mistaken for bigotry.
     attempting to walk the fine line in which hate speech is ruled out but nuance and scientific debate can take place is quite a challenge, and people pressed for time in a culture of thoughts that can be expressed in 140 characters seem IMHO too ready to shoot when heuristics triggers. that is IMHO not a good trend for nuanced debate, for science, nor for social justice.
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     Samuel Bepis (samuelbepis@jorts.horse)'s status on Friday, 09-Dec-2022 13:33:52 JST Samuel Bepis

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     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
     • Darkayne

     @Darkayne @freemo My issue with #qoto is all the emphasis on not censoring "unpopular" ideas. Lots of ideas are unpopular because they're discredited, and many discredited ideas are also flypaper for bigots - Holocaust denial, race science, flat-earthism, etc. Debating these topics isn't going to bring forth any new insights, it just gives plausible deniability to bigots so they can spread their ideology in a way that appears civil if you don't know which dog whistles to listen for.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 09-Dec-2022 13:33:52 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     • Darkayne

     @SamuelBepis

     All of those examples are explicitly against the rules and we explicitly state as such.

     @Darkayne

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     Darkayne (darkayne@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 09-Dec-2022 13:33:53 JST Darkayne

     • 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

     Seems like those that strongly oppose #UFoI are the most toxic, and appear to have not read the proposal in the first place.. simply following along with someone else’s opinion. Much of that toxicity & hate seems to be aimed at one person, and to that the whole of #qoto.

     Whether you like or dislike @freemo or #qoto because it has a Q in it—or whatever your flavor of opinion is—it’s completely irrelevant as an argument.