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    🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:39:55 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
    in reply to
    • shelenn
    • ceoln
    • Dmitri Ravinoff

    @toxomat @shelenn @ceoln

    The issue with the list is that it clearly suppresses evidence that is not in line with the operators opinions, effectively lying by ommitting relevant context to distort the truth.

    See my list on the talk page.. Despitte being respectful and showing a mountain of evidence to disprove the evidence claimed for QOTO on the block list none of this evidence was actually added (in fact in response they added another entry claiming I harassed her). Instead despite the polite mention I was blocked.

    https://joinfediverse.wiki/Talk:FediBlock

    This isnt a case of "admins make up your own mind".. this is a case of explicitly lieing, presenting on the cherry picked out of context evidence to support your agenda and suppressing all evidence that disproves the claim int he block.

    Is that really a block list you want to support? I mean come on the majority of instances on the list dont even bother providing evidence.

    In conversation Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:39:55 JST from gnusocial.jp permalink

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      Dmitri Ravinoff (toxomat@social.tchncs.de)'s status on Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:03 JST Dmitri Ravinoff Dmitri Ravinoff
      in reply to
      • shelenn
      • ceoln

      @shelenn
      I am tempted to turn that around: An admin defederating that list without checking (that need is explicitly stated at the top) is an incompetent admin. So a new user better avoids instances that block #qoto unless their instance of choice gives a checkable reason to do that. @freemo gives a convincing story about how he got slandered by nazis for providing a safe space for LQTB+.
      @ceoln

      In conversation Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:03 JST permalink
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      shelenn (shelenn@nerdica.net)'s status on Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:05 JST shelenn shelenn
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      • ceoln
      @ceoln I've read the reasons why some servers defederate qoto and as with any admin, it is their decision based on their criteria and their rules. It's not my list but is a list used by many admins. That does not mean that all admins who reference the list agree with every entry.
      In conversation Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:05 JST permalink
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      ceoln (ceoln@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:06 JST ceoln ceoln
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      • shelenn

      @shelenn
      Seriously? Not your fault, I know, but #qoto does NOT have "no moderation"; this is a complete myth. qoto is as moderated as any server. It's not some kind of "free speech" absolutist nuthouse.

      What qoto doesn't have (in most cases) is #defederation, and the reasons for that are nicely spelled out here: https://qoto.org/@freemo/109319817943835261

      I'm on qoto, and as far as I can tell the fact that it's been defederated by some other servers has no impact whatever: I see lots and lots of people, and lots and lots of people obviously see me.

      I really don't get it.k

      In conversation Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:06 JST permalink

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        ? Dr. Freemo :jpf: ?? (@freemo@qoto.org)
        from ? Dr. Freemo :jpf: ??
        I mentioned this in a private message to someone recently about why a small handful of servers block qoto. I wanted to reiterate it here for the new comers on QOTO who dont know the history: So there are some servers out there that demand every server int he network block every instance they do, and if a server doesnt block an instance they block then they block you in rettatliation. Their reason for this is quite flawed but it goes like this.. If we federate with a bad actor instance and we boost one of their posts then their users will see it and defeat the purpose of the block. The problem is, this isnt how it actually works. If they block a server and we boost it, they wont see the boost, thats how blocks work. The issue becomes even more complicated when you consider the fact that these servers, by virtue of their policy, have huge block lists where they block tons of major servers. So in order to satisfy them we too would have to block a huge number of servers. This means you have a choice, you either join a server that isnt blocked, but has a huge block list themselves, or, you join a server that doesnt block and be blocked by a small handful of servers. Obviously that means on QOTO you will have bigger view of the world than you would on any of these others servers. In fact QOTO has onne of the largest federation footprints of any server in the network. I want to also explain why we choose the decision we did. Years ago when this controversy started and servers across the fediverse started blocking there was a divide of people taking sides. WOTO was one of the few servers that didnt take sides and allowed people read content from any server (but with strict hate speech rules). This caused a huge influx of people,s pecifically from the LGBTQ community, onto our server. It turns out many people relied on us not-blocking for their physical safety. There were big name biggots (like milo yanappolus) who were on the network. They used their accounts here to watch his account for doxing so they could warn themselves and their community and protect themselves accordingly. In fact we added a feature just for them called subscriptions which allowed them to monitor accounts without following them so they could do so anonymously. In tthe end for the safety of the LGBTQ community here we refused to engage in mass server blocking and instead encouraged our users to block servers on an individual basis and provided access to block lists for them to do so. But some really misguided servers blocked us anyway. Thankfully the servers blocking us are few and far between and are limited to only the most excessive and aggressive block lists. As I said, QOTO has one of the largest federation footprints on the fediverse, #mastoadmin
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      shelenn (shelenn@nerdica.net)'s status on Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:07 JST shelenn shelenn
      For new admins (and others unaware), and users trying to find a permanent home, this is a good reference list related to instances that have been defederated at large.

      joinfediverse.wiki/FediBlock
      In conversation Saturday, 03-Dec-2022 04:40:07 JST permalink

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